Substack: Money, Growth, and Hype β Is It Worth Your Time?
An evidence review built from 3,125 Reddit posts (AprilβOctober 2026), 17 YouTube video transcripts, official Substack data, and press analysis. Every number is sourced; creator-reported figures are labeled as such.
How People Actually Make Money
There are four real revenue paths on Substack in 2026. Only one of them is what the platform is famous for β and the successful creators usually run two or more at once.
Path 1 Paid Subscriptions
The classic: monthly or annual tiers from ~$5/month, plus "founding member" premium tiers. Substack takes 10% of subscription revenue and Stripe takes roughly 2.9% + 30¢ on top β so you keep about 87–90% of sticker price. Sending email is free at any list size. This is the path everyone talks about, and the one where the income distribution is brutal (see below).
Path 2 Sponsorships
Do-it-yourself sponsorships have always been allowed β the rough market rate is $20–$50 per 1,000 subscribers per issue (marketer estimate). In June 2026 Substack launched Native Sponsorships officially: Balenciaga, Uber, T-Mobile, Yahoo Scout, Whatnot, Granola and Polymarket signed on "investing millions." Substack reportedly takes no cut yet. Big catch: the program is currently gated to Bestsellers (100+ paid subscribers).
Path 3 Substack As A Billboard
Many creators use the publication to sell things that live elsewhere β courses, coaching, consulting, client work. As one creator put it: "Substack traffic is about 40% of my sales but subscriptions are about 8%." The publication is trust-building content; the money happens off-platform. This is the quiet majority model outside the finance/politics headliners.
Path 4 Membership Value
The most successful 2026 creators sell a membership, not a paywall: chat access, live calls, community, templates, cohorts. The consistent YouTube finding: membership/community beats bare paywalling for retention. Annual plans and founding tiers with real perks are the highest-value offers.
Income Reality: What The Distribution Actually Looks Like
This is the section the success stories skip. Substack publishes milestones and top-10 aggregates; it has never published median income. What independent data and mass creator self-reports show is a power law.
Where the money concentrates
Real reported incomes (creator self-reports, r/Substack 2026)
| Publication type | Reported income | Notes |
|---|---|---|
| Finance (top-5 author) | ~$1M+/year | One writer sold his finance Substack at ~$174K/year run-rate |
| Political satire | $86,000 cumulative | Roughly two years of work |
| Health (with 500K Instagram import) | $60,000/year | Arrived with a huge audience |
| AI engineering | ~$12,000/month | Mostly donations on a free publication |
| Journalism / politics | $1,700–$3,000/month | Established writers |
| History (bestseller badge) | ~$12,000/year | 150 paying of 6,200 total |
| Professor / niche nonfiction | ~$5,000/year | Typical "solid side income" |
| Relationships survey | $250–$432 | First 1–3 months, early stage |
| Clinical psychology | $139/year | 2 paying members |
The conversion math that decides everything
| Free subscribers | At 1.5% (median) | At 5% (strong) | Monthly revenue at $8 net |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1,000 | 15 paid | 50 paid | $120 – $400 |
| 5,000 | 75 paid | 250 paid | $600 – $2,000 |
| 10,000 | 150 paid | 500 paid | $1,200 – $4,000 |
| 50,000 | 750 paid | 2,500 paid | $6,000 – $20,000 |
How People Actually Get Subscribers
The single best dataset of the year: one creator's full 15-month export (0 to 22,600 free / ~400 paid) plus a 3,640-Note experiment log. It produced the cleanest finding of 2026 β two different engines feed two different funnels, and confusing them is the #1 beginner mistake.
Engine 1 Notes = where paying members come from
In the 15-month export, Notes produced fewer signups than recommendations but 121 paying members β more than any other source. Notes readers arrive warm: they have already read your voice in the feed. Practitioner rule: judge Notes by paid conversions a week later, never by likes.
Engine 2 Recommendations = where the free list comes from
Writer-to-writer recommendations drove ~15,000 free signups in 12 months β but only 77 paying members (about 5 per 1,000, the worst conversion of any source). Still worth running: a weekly recommendation-swap outreach system produced 352 subscribers for one writer in a year. Cold volume, cheap.
What actually converts on Notes (3,640-note experiment log, 2026)
| Factor | What scored | What flopped |
|---|---|---|
| Voice | First-person positions and admissions β median score 40 | Number-led posts (10), news sharing (9), name-dropping (20) |
| Format | Statements β score 27 | Questions β score 19 |
| Length | 73–100 words β score 28 | Over 100 words β score 16 |
| Links | No links (outside links cost 14% of reach) | Dropping links in notes |
| Volume | 6–8 notes per day, spaced out (top-quartile frequency grows 15x faster) | Feast-or-famine posting |
Every Organic Traffic Channel β Ranked
Substack's own network (Notes + recommendations + app) now drives more than half of all subscriptions on the platform (Substack claim, October 2026). Here is the complete channel map for 2026.
| Channel | How it works | Evidence it works | Effort | 2026 importance |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Notes feed | Its own discovery engine, separate from email. 77% of impressions come from the feed; followers first, then strangers once early engagement lands. | 21-million-note analysis: most frequent writers grow 15x faster; median note gets 82 impressions. | Daily, 20–30 min | Essential |
| App discovery | Read tab, Podcast tab, leaderboards, search, onboarding recommendations. | 25%+ of platform subscriptions originate in-app; in-app discovery converts 83% better; app users buy 50% more paid subs (Substack official data). | Passive | Rising fast |
| Network recommendations | Publication-to-publication recommendations, driven by DM outreach and swaps. | One DM-swap system: 352 subscribers in a year; bestseller case: 10K of 32K subs from onboarding recommendations. | ~1 hr/week | Strong, cold |
| SEO / Google | Substack articles rank as substack.com pages; the domain surged in 2026. | Google's March 2026 core update made Substack the #2 biggest search-visibility gainer in the US. But creator-level results are wildly mixed (see warning). | Low, compounding | Tailwind, uneven |
| Restacks | Other writers re-share your note to their followers. | 1 restack = 1.06x reach, 2–3 = 1.18x on low-like notes; 77% of notes never get restacked. | Earned | Nice bonus |
| Chat | Subscriber chat rooms, sometimes paywalled. | Publications active in chat see 19% higher free-to-paid conversion (Substack official data). | Community time | Conversion lever |
| Video notes & lives | Video in the notes feed, narrations, live video. | Video notes convert 35.5 paid subs per million impressions vs 12.0 for text β 3x. Only 1.6% of notes are video. | Medium–high | Rising, blue ocean |
| Email forwards | Readers forward issues to friends. | App users are 44x more likely to share a post (Substack official data). | Free | Steady |
| External social | LinkedIn, Instagram, TikTok, X pointing at your Substack. | LinkedIn: "the top of the funnel" for B2B (570 signups/yr case). Instagram DM lead magnets built one writer's first 1,000. TikTok is weak: two 350K-view videos converted worse than Notes over a year. | High, ongoing | Beginner lever |
| Podcasts | Native podcast hosting with a dedicated Podcast tab. | Best for audio-native creators; a real discovery home since the 2026 app restructure. | Medium | Niche-dependent |
| Referrals | Subscriber referral program with gift rewards. | Live: 5 gift rewards, plus 5 more when redeemed. | Setup once | Minor |
The Notes Playbook (2026 consensus)
Between the 21-million-note dataset, the 3,640-note experiment log, and the YouTube playbooks, the working method is remarkably consistent:
Show up socially
Comments beat posts. 5 comments + 10 likes on writers you read, reply to every notification, answer every message. One flatlined publication added 1,600 subscribers in six months on 30 minutes a day.
Post notes with a formula
First-person positions and admissions, statements not questions, 73–100 words, no links (name the post in words instead β 3.3x more likes). Measure success by paid conversions a week later.
Two content lanes
2 long-form posts a week is enough (a 3rd weekly post produced 7 paying members from ~400,000 emails in one export). Keep top-funnel content and paid content separate: free builds trust, paid sells outcomes.
Conversion mechanics that keep showing up
- Cut the paywall mid-story where curiosity peaks β not after a free introduction.
- Fixed paywall day + real deadlines (price rises, expiring discounts, closing cohorts) convert best.
- Grandfather old prices when you raise them β zero churn in multiple accounts.
- Welcome email sequence is a conversion asset, not a formality.
- Post-embedded subscription prompts convert 6x plain text (74.8 vs 12.0 paid per million impressions).
What the data says is getting harder
- Notes free-conversion fell 47% year over year (1.74 to 0.93 subscribers per 100 clicks) as clicks grew 63% β the feed is more competitive.
- Subscribers-per-note stays flat at ~0.1 β growth comes from frequency, not viral hits.
- Substack's head of AI has confirmed heavy behavioral tracking in Notes ranking; sub-for-sub gaming crowds out substantive writing.
What Changed In 2026
| Change | When | What it means for you |
|---|---|---|
| Native Sponsorships launch β Balenciaga, Uber, T-Mobile, Yahoo Scout, Whatnot, Granola, Polymarket "investing millions"; Creator Kits for Bestsellers | June 2026 | A second revenue line exists β but it is gated to 100+ paid members, and Substack reportedly takes no cut yet (watch that word "yet"). |
| App restructure β Podcast tab + Read tab as discovery homes | 2026 | In-app discovery keeps rising. App readers convert better and engage more. |
| AI-detection rollout (Pangram) β biggest creator backlash of the year: false flags on original essays, and in October, admission it trains models on writers' text | July–October 2026 | Trust bruised. Widespread demands to remove it. Some writers leaving; most grumbling. No effect on your growth mechanics. |
| Global sales tax & VAT collection β Substack calculates, collects, remits from December 1, 2026; its fee stays 10% | December 2026 | Net income on international subscribers may shift; small creators complain about tax regardless of nexus thresholds. |
| Notes maturation β video converts 3x text; conversion per click falling; feed controls shipped in October | All year | The Notes gold-rush window is narrowing. Consistency and voice win now, not novelty. |
| Google March 2026 core update β Substack was the #2 visibility gainer in the US; 4 spam updates this year favor original content | March–September 2026 | Domain-level SEO tailwind β but per-publication results vary wildly. |
| No fee change β 10% revenue share unchanged | 2026 | The headline deal is intact. Extraction is happening through features and attention, not the fee line. |
Reddit Reality Check (3,125 posts, April–October 2026)
We pulled the complete r/Substack archive for the last six months plus the top comment threads. Sentiment on explicitly-framed titles runs about 2:1 positive to reality-check β but both the triumph posts and the complaint posts spread, and the survivorship bias is called out constantly.
The believers What the wins sound like
- "0 to 22,000 subscribers in 15 months" β with monthly data exports, the most credible growth post of the year.
- "Please don't quit. I nearly did after three years of writing into a void" β 99 upvotes.
- "Comments were more powerful than posts" β 2 posts/week + 3 notes/day took a writer 0 to 1,000 in ~5 months with no existing audience.
- Rebuttal camp: "The numbers don't show a Substack collapse."
The skeptics What the failures sound like
- "Substack is so inauthenticβ¦ a giant pyramid scheme for a crumb of attention" β 93 upvotes.
- "Confused about the point of Substack" β 13 subscribers in 3 months while "lowball trash" gets 300 likes.
- The meta-grift joke β make your publication about growing your Substack and sell the course β 106 upvotes. The niche teaching Substack growth is itself the most reliable Substack income.
- "Zero views zero views no matter what" and "I'm losing hope on growth" threads are a weekly fixture.
The three 2026 trust fires
| Fire | What happened | Heat |
|---|---|---|
| AI detection (Pangram) | False flags on original essays ("flagged my COMPLETELY ORIGINAL essay" β 169 upvotes); October escalation: Pangram admitted training models on writers' text. Demands for permanent removal. | Hottest |
| Enshittification fears | "20 changes in one year" mapped to the classic platform-decay cycle since the $100M raise: video feed, TV app, competitor-exclusivity fund, native ads, non-portable Apple subscriptions. Some creators report 80–90% drops in organic reach; one 100K-sub writer watched ranking drop "from 7th to past 80th in a day." | Growing |
| Notes-algorithm anxiety | Writer Scott Carney reported revenue down 12% in two months; Taylor Lorentz: "I have over 200k followers yet my paid subscriptions have fallen off a cliff." Counterpoint: the same data shows platform-wide growth. | Smoldering |
YouTube Reality Check (132 videos cataloged, 17 transcripts mined)
What the teaching class says versus what the data says β and where the contrarians land.
Consensus The playbook everyone teaches
- Notes = discovery top of funnel (one camp claims ~40% of growth/traffic).
- Recommendation swaps + restacks for cold reach.
- 3–7 notes + 1 long-form post per week; welcome email as the conversion asset.
- Launch the paid tier like a product; sell membership/community (chat, live calls), not just a paywall.
- Growth is slow and real: 1,000 free subscribers from zero takes 12–16 months β "not 90 days, not 6 months."
Contrarians The skeptical camp
- "The gold rush is over" β zero Google traffic after 3.5 months, no sitemap/robots/canonical control.
- "Paid newsletters are dead" β 5% of list at $8/month is pocket money; a $200 course beats a year of paywalling.
- One creator lost her entire publication to a platform bug; another left over having no email automations.
- Fee drag: creators lose ~13% to Substack + Stripe combined.
Numbers with receipts (2026 video disclosures)
| Creator / case | Reported numbers | Context |
|---|---|---|
| Amy Suto | $101K ARR in 2 years 3 months, growing to $262,454/year across two Substacks (June 2026) | Top-percentile; writing/entertainment niche |
| Scott Carney (contrarian) | $58,697 over 12 months β monthly swings from $2K to $10K | On the back of ~275K YouTube subscribers; argues the Notes pivot serves the valuation, not writers |
| Write-Build-Scale | 1,000 paid in 18 months (~$100K/year gross, $80K+ net) | The teach-the-growth meta-niche |
| Jenna Redfield (real-world check) | ~$2,000/year from 40 paid subscribers | What "mid-tier" actually looks like vs the "$2K–$10K/month" claims |
Hype Check: What Is Real And What Is Marketing
What is genuinely real
- The audience machine. Substack is the 14th biggest news site in the US (72.7M US visits/month at its 2025 peak, +42% year over year) and still growing β ~175.9M global monthly visits as of August 2026.
- The network effect. 50%+ of subscriptions now come from inside the platform. A new writer with zero audience can be discovered. Almost no other email tool offers this.
- The deal. 10% + Stripe, unlimited free sending, full list export. Compared to ad networks, marketplaces, and app stores, it is a clean, aligned take rate.
- The top exists. 5M+ paid subscriptions platform-wide; top-10 authors clear $40M+ combined. Real people make real money.
What is hype
- The income story. A power law marketed as a middle class. ~$4,500 average gross per monetized publication per year, and the top 10 absorb $40M+ of it. Half of paid creators earned under $500 last year.
- The conversion lore. "10% of free converts" is folklore; working writers report 4–5%, median is 1.5–2%.
- The growth timelines. Case studies with "0 to 3,700 in 3 months" almost always hide an imported audience. From true zero, 12–16 months to 1,000 free is the honest benchmark.
- The "anyone can do it" frame. Genre concentration is extreme: US politics alone is a ~$18.6M/year category on the platform versus ~$3.2M for finance. Outside politics, finance, and tech-career content, you are the tail.
Will They Screw The Little Guy? (Platform-Risk Analysis)
This is the "mature platform turns on its users" question. Short version: the squeeze is coming from features and attention, not from the fee line β and it has already started quietly.
The incentive math
What history says
| Precedent | What happened | Relevance to Substack |
|---|---|---|
| X (Twitter) | Launched creator revenue-share big (2023), killed it in August 2026 β last payment September 11, 2026. | The cleanest recent proof that creator programs get strangled once growth slows. Three-year lifespan. |
| Medium | Promised 50% subscriber-revenue share (2021), keeps rewriting the deal β in September 2026 told writers to stop using friend links; writers describe being "on trial by the algorithm." | The "we're writer-friendly" platform that kept moving the goalposts. |
| Facebook / Google | Algorithmic referral traffic collapsed for publishers; media leaders expect 43% more traffic loss as AI answer engines eat referrals. | Any platform-owned attention layer eventually monetizes it. Substack now owns an attention layer (Notes/app feed). |
What Substack has kept β and where the erosion is
Still intact
- Full email list export β no 2026 evidence of portability restrictions.
- "Writers own their audience" promise β still operational.
- 10% fee β unchanged, and aligned: Substack only earns when you earn.
- Free sending at any list size.
Eroding or unproven
- The attention layer is now concentrated: app feed, recommendations, Bestseller leaderboard β and a live "promoted notes" configuration flag exists. Reach increasingly depends on platform ranking you can't see.
- Sponsorship terms: Bestseller-gated now; ad economics historically favor big players.
- Reported reach drops: some creators describe 80–90% organic-reach declines; one large writer fell "from 7th to past 80th in a day."
- Apple subscriptions are non-portable β subscribers acquired in-app can be worth less to you.
Risk scoreboard
| Risk | Level | Why |
|---|---|---|
| Fee squeeze | Yellow | 10% is a marketed promise; extraction likelier through ads and features than a headline hike β but a $1.1B valuation extracts somewhere. |
| Ranking pay-to-play | Yellow | Attention flows through app feed/Notes/promoted slots; promoted-notes plumbing is live; no pay-for-boost confirmed yet. |
| Ads dependence | Yellow | Sponsorships under a year old, already Balenciaga/Uber-scale with brand-lift measurement. Small-creator terms unproven. |
| Reach plateau | Green | Traffic up 22–57% year over year through 2025 into 2026; two-year growth streak. |
| Competitor drain | Yellow | beehiiv revenue expected to nearly double (Reuters); Kit investing in creator studios. But 35M active subscriptions is a real moat. |
| Everything paywalled | Green (trending yellow) | No default-paywall platform move in 2026. The pull toward all-paid comes from top-earner economics, not a mandate. |
Long-Term Outlook
Why the platform's reach keeps growing
- Substack is now the 14th biggest news site in the US (72.7M US visits/month, +42% year over year) β it out-trafficked the Wall Street Journal and CBS News in 2025.
- ~175.9M global monthly visits (August 2026); consistent year-over-year growth for two years.
- ~35M active subscriptions; monetizing publications nearly doubled year over year to ~100,000.
- Substack is becoming a media destination of its own β Sinclair launched a national news brand on it in October 2026.
What could bend the curve
- AI answer engines eating referral traffic across the whole media industry.
- Newsletter-tool wars: beehiiv nearly doubling revenue and doubling its ad-sales team; Kit opening creator studios; "the new weapons are Claude and ChatGPT."
- Fragmentation: video, podcasts, and LinkedIn newsletters all compete for the same creator hours.
- Subscription fatigue β readers increasingly say they can't support every writer they like.
The "all paid" question, settled
There is no 2026 product move toward default paywalls β Substack's growth still depends on free publications feeding the network. But the economic pressure toward all-paid is real and coming from creators, not the platform: with 1.5–2% conversion, top earners increasingly paywall more, bundle harder, and sell products instead. The likely 2027 shape: a barbell β huge free publications monetized by sponsors and products, small paid publications run as intimate memberships, and the middle (paywall a general-interest blog) quietly dying out.
Decision Matrix
| Option | What it looks like | Expected outcome | Ready to run? |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1. Substack as funnel + owned list (recommended) | Notes daily (20–30 min), 2 posts/week, free list as the asset, paid tier as a product once you pass ~1,000 free. Monthly list export. | Year 1: 500–1,500 free, $100–$500/month. Year 2–3: real optionality β sponsorship income, product sales, or a paid membership that compounds. | Yes |
| 2. Substack as paid publication from day one | Launch with a paywall, market hard, bring an existing audience. | Works only if you arrive with followers (the "imported audience" cases). From zero: 12–16 months to 1,000 free first. Income odds poor. | Only with an audience |
| 3. Substack as billboard for a business | Free publication that sells consulting, courses, or clients off-platform. | For service businesses and experts, this is the highest-revenue-per-subscriber use. Substack traffic becomes sales pipeline. | Yes |
| 4. Skip it β beehiiv / Kit / Ghost instead | Own stack, keep 90%+, no network discovery. | Right if you already own traffic and resent the 13% total fee drag. Wrong if you need discovery β there is no organic network to find you. | If you have traffic |
Run Substack as a funnel-and-list play, not an income bet
The evidence-backed first wave: (1) show up socially every day β comments first, 6–8 first-person notes, no links; (2) ship 2 posts a week with free/paid content split (free builds trust, paid sells an outcome); (3) run recommendation swaps 1 hour a week for cold reach; (4) add a paid tier only when the free list proves the topic β priced $5–10/month with a founding tier, sold as a membership; (5) export your list monthly and keep a second channel (LinkedIn, SEO, or video) feeding in. If it hasn't produced meaningful traction in 12 months of consistent work, the honest conclusion is the niche is wrong β not the platform.
Decision checklist
- 1. Do I have a specific reader in mind (niche), or am I writing "general interest"? General interest is the death zone.
- 2. Can I commit 30–45 minutes a day, 5+ days a week, for 12 months? That is the real entry price.
- 3. Is my paid offer an outcome (career, money, health, community) β not just "more of my writing"?
- 4. Will I export the list monthly and keep one non-Substack channel alive? (Platform-risk insurance.)
- 5. Am I measuring paid conversions and revenue β not likes, opens, or follower counts?
Sources
Creator-reported figures (Reddit threads, YouTube disclosures, practitioner blogs) are self-reported and labeled in-line. Corporate figures come from the press or Substack itself. Research window: primarily April–October 2026, with late-2025 sources used for funding and baseline data.
Data & analysis
| Source | What it gave us | Date |
|---|---|---|
| r/Substack full archive via Arctic Shift (3,125 posts Apr–Oct 2026) + 12 top comment threads | Growth tactics, income self-reports, sentiment split, 2026 trust fires | Apr–Oct 2026 |
| r/Substack: 0 to 22,600 subs with monthly data exports | Notes vs recommendations conversion split (121 paid vs 77 paid) | Oct 2026 |
| r/Substack: 3,640-note experiment log | What scores in Notes (voice, format, length, volume) | Oct 2026 |
| r/Substack: income distribution thread | ~50% under $500/yr; top 10% takes 62%; 1.5–2% median conversion | Sep 2026 |
| r/Substack: 22,000-newsletter tracking thread | Median ~1,000 subs; 86% never reach 10K | Apr 2026 |
| r/Substack: Pangram AI-detection threads (and the October escalation) | The year's biggest creator backlash | Jul–Oct 2026 |
| r/Substack: "20 changes in one year" enshittification thread / "Is Notes causing Substack to collapse?" | Reach-decay reports, Carney −12%, Lorentz quote | Apr–Aug 2026 |
| YouTube: 132 videos cataloged, 17 transcripts mined (Amy Suto, Scott Carney, Write-Build-Scale, Author Update, EmailTooltester, and more) | Growth playbooks, income disclosures, contrarian cases | 2025–2026 |
| Write-Build-Scale 21-million-note analysis (via Substack) | Notes frequency, reach, conversion-per-click trends, video-vs-text conversion | Oct 2026 |
| DemandSage: Substack statistics (compiling Sacra, Similarweb, Axios, Backlinko figures) | Revenue estimates, active subs, monetizing pubs, traffic, top-10 earnings | Sep 2026 |
| Press Gazette / Similarweb top-50 US news sites | Substack's traffic rank and year-over-year growth | 2025–2026 |
Company & platform
| Source | What it gave us | Date |
|---|---|---|
| TechCrunch: Substack raises $100M Series C (verified against page text) | $1.1B valuation, ~70% above 2021; investor list | Jul 2025 |
| Substack: "A business model that works for creators" / Series C post | "Hundreds of millions to creators"; 100K+ earning publishers; top 10 >$100M combined (Chris Best) | 2025–Jun 2026 |
| Substack: 5 million paid subscriptions | Paid-sub milestone | Mar 2025 |
| Substack: app growth data | 25%+ of subs in-app; 83% conversion lift; chat +19%; 44x sharing | Sep 2023 (latest official) |
| Axios / Variety / Complex / Marketing Dive coverage of Native Sponsorships | Jun 2026 launch, brand list, Bestseller gating, no-cut reporting (Paved) | Jun–Aug 2026 |
| India Today / NDTV: X ends creator revenue-share | Precedent: program killed Aug 2026, last payment Sep 11 | Aug 2026 |
| Reuters: beehiiv revenue expectations | Competitor trajectory | Jan 2026 |
| NPR: Substack AI-detection coverage | Feature rollout, community division | Aug 2026 |
| Business Insider / The Cut / Poynter reality-check coverage | Income-ceilings framing; "keep their day jobs"; living-on-Substack analysis | 2024–2026 |
Research synthesized from Reddit, YouTube, official Substack publications, and press coverage. Creator-reported income and growth figures are self-reported. Estimates (Sacra revenue, market rates) are labeled as estimates in-line.